No medication is necessary..but accpeting it and coming to terms with it…is required.

I have gone through the existential angst, and emerged at peace on the other side. I would like to report what I learned on my journey:

Existential angst is an artifact of the mind. Caused by the mind seeking completeness (as in Gödel’s completeness), and not finding it. Completeness and consistency do not exist in the mind; staying confined to the mind will continue the angst and depression.

Completeness and peace and meaning do exist at the meta-level, at somatic. More, everything makes sense, all the existential questions fall away, and happiness is the norm.

Unfortunately much of what I discovered I cannot put into words. Language is a poor descriptor of the ground of Being. I can only point the way, and the way is through quieting the mind and entering the body.

Of particular help to me was meditation. I practiced Vipassana meditation, but any type will do.

Relationships are huge for me. Both with others and with myself. The article speaks of that sense of isolation one feels, that no matter how close one gets to the other, there will always be that gap, that knowledge that we are always alone. I used that gap to my advantage, using it, in my own way, to make the excuse of not getting close to people *at all* from a very early age…and then I would complain that no body gets me. Newsflash: no one will get you unless you reveal yourself.
The willingness to be vulnerable, that’s what it is.
Support: find someone, anyone, a support group, a therapist, friends who see you for who you are. Not just for your gift. Not just for your defects. But who you are as a whole. Take a chance and see what happens.
Meditation: Like Mahipal said, take a moment to be present. I was accused of straddling the present: “you live in the future according to how things could be had you done something differently in the past.” My head just about rolled off my body, it was SO true. Meditation grounds me in the now.
Reading: I too, have been guilty of using reading as an escape. I think this is natural when we try to understand what happened and how to find the solution. That too, for me, has become less of an issue (I hope!)
Running/Excercise: move. For me, running with my music is necessary to maintain balance. It can be anything, walking, too ,is wonderful.

In regards to the somatic: I want to point out my journey has just begun and I have a mental resistance to certain things. While I have always loved to dance, and paint, and perform, and sing…I find myself struggling in their integration. I paint for a while and then I stop, distracted by something else. I take a dance class and I stop. I ponder yoga…and keep pondering…
…but I *try* to have compassion, and be gentle with myself because from what I understand, this period of integrating buried gifts takes time. I even have trouble integrating the professional gifts I acquired in my past career into my current path. Sometimes everything seems so fragmented. But it’s better to have the talents in front of me, waiting expectantly, than behind me, dead and gone.

I leave with this, something I hold very close to me and use, almost as a mantra every day:
“If you don’t reveal yourself, people will invent you.”
There’s nothing worse than becoming the invention and then believing it yourself.
I know. I’ve been there. It hurts.

Be well, and thank you for opening this discussion. I look forward to what others have to say.
Roopam

A lot of people see being so called gifted as a boon, and able to see/surf patterns as great thing – what they usually mean is how they could/would capitalize on a “marketable skill.” However I think many of you here on this thread know and understand that the gift can really be a BIG CURSE.

The meaninglessness arose in may ways because of that ability to see patterns far beyond oneself, and realizing our insignificance and our inability to “truly shape things.” and was further fueled by not seeing how others cannot see how things will fold out. And when they do fold out that way, it only seems to piss people off even more.

This lead to going into a deeper shell, in order to “act normal” and just live. And I discovered thats not always easy nor is it advisable. After many years of trying to remain hidden and/or hide the gifts, i realized that the curse is in not accepting it. And yet i now understand that going into that darkness was critical for one to be shaped. Its the darkness and roughness around us, that IMO has the greatest power to cause shifts within us and our psyche. Disowning it only causes turmoil – and depression is only the beginning of the symptoms from my perspective. The trick is moving from disjoined to be joined, from falling part to falling together (as a friend pointed to me not too long ago), from being a clumsy swan on land to landing in our element and becoming majestically graceful. Easier said than done!

The journey from being disconnected to connecting is a profoundly moving, painful and yet rewarding one. the shift that had to happen in me was seeing what can this gift be applied towards, an aim far greater than myself, and in the service of a principal far greater than self.

I spend atleast a few years unable to make sense of things, and/or make peace with myself.This started a journey of “escaping from reality” in order to find some moments of what i thought were solace or peace. But there is no escape from, there can only be “escape into reality” and “escape through it.”

The interesting question now begins is how does one make this transition. Wha i found was i needed to find ways to get out of my mind and get deeply into the body proper. My training in Martial Arts was wonderful however it was known, meaning i was at home with it. I needed to find contexts where i am Uncomfortable and its unknown. Dancing and theater proved to be starting points on this journey for me. The clumsiness i discovered was refreshing, and started the journey of getting to know reality anew from a very different way/perspective.

Yet the biggest challenge still remained – that of “connection.” This has been the hardest one. I have been fortunate to have a bunch of really really smart friends. However this is a small tribe. And in many ways we are/were at the same frequency and same disillusionments. The hard part was building connection to a greater story for Self, and including other people very different from you into it.

This is a very specific intelligence IMO, a very different way of being and connecting in the world. A useful model to think about this is 8 circuit brain by Timothy Leary, and specifically studying the circuits 4 and 8. Its easy to get into an intellectual spin with it, but makes most sense to experiment and be disciplined about it. I started seeking contexts where i knew nothing about and started the process of starting learning with new groups – the learning ability (my curse now became my ally). this process of “co-learning” and “co-creating a project/s” became the means of learning to build those threads of connection with a wider group.

I am still in this journey to form those connections more deeply and am learning that the meaning in life and meaning in our gifts come from “deep significant relationships” – and when i say relationships its not just with other poeple, but also with our work, our community and most significantly our relationship with our “renewed and effervescent sense of self.”

This has been an incredibly hard piece for me to write, and yet its important IMO to start this journey of connecting beyond safe boundaries, so here we are my friends my piece on this in 1st person.

And i would suggest you try listening to the series called “POSITIVE DEVIANCE” on this website. my friends and I have have approached some of these issues and our ways of working with it.

I remain open to your thoughts, views, and feedback.

Warm regards
Mahipal

What I can tell you is that I have come to believe it is is a price that we who suffer from this are willingly paying. Would I rather live in blissful ignorance? Would I rather think that ridiculous reality shows, the latest technological gadget, and a hundred people who have “friended” me on Facebook, is the epitome of a meaningful existence? Not in a million years would I trade the nearly unbearable psychic pain I experience for that type of ignorance. Therefore, I believe this pain is something I have accepted at some level; it is a price I decided (somehow) that I was willing to pay. What do I get in exchange? I have gotten to see behind the curtain; I have seen that the spectacles with which the great majority are enamored are not the product of the great and powerful Oz! They are silly and illusory, and meaningless.

That there is something else on the other side of this life is a belief I have adopted because it makes sense to me, but of course I have no clue as to whether there is anything, or if there is, what it could be! But I have hope that seeing life as meaningless is a necessary step to moving beyond what I believe Shakespeare called this mortal coil. I hope (and believe to the extent that I allow belief to play a role in my life) that living while seeing how pointless this existence really is, is exactly the point. It is a step that must be taken, a path that must be fully explored before the conclusion can be reached that it leads nowhere. In other words, maybe – just maybe – this kind of pain is more or less a growing pain. Maybe it means that I have indeed outgrown the mortal experience and that I am ready for something else. Perhaps it means that this will be my last life in this existence. That is my hope, and that is what has kept me going since my first encounter with existential depression when I was a teenager. Of course, only time will tell.

Wow, the end of your post made me cry :’-). Obviously I am still here and I didn’t go through with it that day. I think what happened was, my boyfriend talked me out of it. He’s so great. Actually, I was thinking of committing suicide tonight as well, by OD’ing on some of my old antidepressants, but I didn’t do that either. Partially because I spent some time with my loved ones, which brought me out of it a little, and partially because I didn’t get a chance. I always find an excuse. What I’m afraid of is that one day I’ll run out of excuses.

You know, I don’t really want to die. Sometimes I think I do, but really what I want is to feel like my life matters. Unfortunately, I’m not sure I’ll ever reach that point.

It’s interesting what you said about gifts, because just today I asked my mom if she thought that everyone has a purpose, and she said yes. Then I asked how one can figure out what that purpose is, and she said through one’s gifts and talents. As in, what a person likes to do or is good at is a hint as to what their purpose is. Well, I’m not sure I believe that, but it was a good response. I thought about how I like to write and how I want to be a journalist, and I wondered if maybe my purpose is related to revealing some great truth to the masses or whatever. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that you might be on to something.

I just compiled a reading list for some books I want to read that might help me understand what I’m going through. So far on my list is The Last Messiah by Peter Wessel Zapffe, Desiderata by Max Ehrmann (which is actually a poem), and The Myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus. Maybe you’ve read some of them or would be interested in checking some of them out.

I was always considered a “gifted” person, both creatively and academically. I could get A’s and B’s without trying in high school though have failed a lot of classes in college because of lack of motivation.

Earlier this year, after recently moving to a big city alone, I discovered the dead body of my ex-boyfriend (overdosed when I didn’t know he was using) who had just moved in with me a few weeks before. I recently stopped smoking pot and drinking to focus on my life, though it’s hard to really care that much since, seriously, what’s the point anyway? Born, live, die.

Life is so much pointless drama and constant obstacles. There are good points but my life and I’m certainly lucky to have what I do, but things have certainly never been perfect and I have a lot of resentment that I don’t know if I can really move past from.

I started seeing a therapist before the death because my parents got divorced about a year ago (alcoholism, drug abuse) and went on anti-depressants but could that ever be enough?

Thoughts would be great.

I truley hope that you havent yet gotten to the point where you cant physically take the pain anymore, though if this has happened, i hope that you may rest in peace, and that you have escaped the pain that you were in.

Mensa has been suggested to me before, but because of my Auditory-Sequential learning weakness, I do not do well on most tests; therefore, I was an unidentified gifted child (though I was envious and hurt for not being invited into the gifted program in middle school or high school).

Have any of you had problems keeping a job? That is my current struggle. I have fierce situational anger episodes at work (due to injustices and the absurdities of corporate world) and sink into (existential) depression at home where I’ve always felt alone.

The entire book mentioned above (Misdiagnosis and Dual Diagnoses of Gifted Children and Adults: ADHD, Bipolar, OCD, Asperger’s, Depression, and Other Disorders by James Webb) is excellent. I just wish that there were more information to help us survive and then thrive now that correct identification can be made.

Thanks for checking in about quoting parts of the series. Please feel free to quote as long as you check in with us before the final product is out and that the quotes have been offered in the spirit we are offering this labor of love to the world.

thanks

Mahipal for RCG

Is it permissible for me to quote a section from any of your podcasts for an informative and satyric video series I am working on? All reference to you of course.

The jury is still out. We all know people in both groups, and we have both aspects within ourselves.

Peace,
R.

These recordings were done last year and are always “unstructured conversations” rather than structured interviews… these are dialouges and we have not covered the seth material and we dont see ourselevs covering that strand with jeremy

cheers

Mahipal

Perhaps there should be a support group/network for people with these issues.

Please see Henri-Robert Vilaire Sensei’s response to your questions.

Also should you have any additional questions about his martial arts please take it up with him on his website.

Vilaire Sensei’s response below
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Dear Radical Change Group,

In our interview neither Sastri Sensei nor I claimed that Kaze Arashi Ryu is a Koryu registered in Japan, we are a private system. As for our teachers and background, these are listed on our website http://www.kazemura.org.

As for Mr Nambu’s comment that only practitioners registered as Koryu in Japan are entitled to use the term ‘Menkyo Kaiden’ we do not believe this is correct. ‘Menkyo Kaiden’ was the award granted to me by our instructors and is recognised as legitimate within our system.

Thank you,

Henri-Robert Vilaire
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I have directed your questions to both the Senseis’. When they do get back to me, I will put you in touch with them and you can take the issues/questions you may have with them.
And if you so please you can contact them directly at the Kita Yama dojo with your questions http://www.kazemura.org/

respectfully,

RCG

Pass the gift along to people you know and or may want to collaborate with us on.

cheers from RCG

It was about the time of the Reagan administration that my inner voice came up with this:

What a Strange Attitude
(Monotonous Dichotomy)

“I hate big government” said the President
“Don’t trust bureaucracy” said the Senator
“Privatize” said the Public Official
“The press is unkind” stated the Press Release
“Occultism is a problem” said the CIA
“Lawbreakers” shouted the Lawmakers
“Change” preached the Conservative
“The competition is brutal” agreed the competitors
“Deregulate” cried the regulators

What glove can protect the hand which plants the flag in Jeopardy?
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What can be clearer than to note that practically by definition–”To govern is to regulate”

Joe Lamando

In the absence of it one lives a life of quite desperation imho. I know this personally having been on both sides of the great divide so to speak. And I would say this is true for both my friends and collaborators on RCG here as well.

cheers

I have a friend whose great-grandfather had come to the US from Norway and settled in the mid-west. This great-grandfather had a psychic/religious experience which we might classify as automatic writing in which his writings resembled Chinese script which when received he could interpret and speak. It was very much akin to speaking in tongues as the Charismatics do and was religiously oriented. Soon others were doing the same thing and a community of people were formed around this which bound them together. Their writings were often done in the margins of their bibles. My friend had photo copies of various pages with this hen-scratching looking writings which he showed to me. At the time we belonged to an informal group of friends who got together once a week to discuss matters pertaining to psychic and other mysterious phenomena. As an exercise one of the things we did was for someone to seal something in an envelope and pass it around the group to get a reading on it (Karmac style). I put the photo copies in an envelope and passed it around. One of the women in the group described herself as going in a cave and seeing writings on the walls and people in there looking at them. I asked her to try to read the writings. She said that she couldn’t; that they were just a bunch of scratched lines going this way and that. I prompted her to ask one of the people in the cave what the writings said. He says “‘Tis not in the writings, ’tis in the search for the meaning!”

Think about that.

Joe Lamando

Thanks for writing, and would love to hear your insights, we are always looking for new ways to understand things – esp the creation myths as when understood right it unveils the structure of creativity IMHO

Regd Richard address .. well, after battling major health issues he has now passed on . You can read a small piece about it here http://www.radicalchangegroup.com/2010/02/13/1374/

thanks for leaving your feedback and we would be happy to hear your insights into the creation myth

I’ve attended many Seth Conferences and was privileged to sit alongside Robert Butts at the Elmira Seth Conference. There I presented him with a unique Ouija board which I created and dedicated to him. I had made a discovery about the hidden structure of the English alphabet which has led to many insights and creative endeavors including what I refer to as a creation myth. I’d like to share this discovery with you. I can send a copy of the Ouija which I call Scrybe by email and can follow up some of the insights if you please. Most of all I’d like to send a hard copy of Scrybe and associated notes to Richard Roberts either through you or directly to him if I might have his address.

Thanks again!

My blog readers will be interested in your post so added a trackback to it on CatholicTide…

Fighting against the norms and fighting to fit into the so called norm in my experience is a futile exercise and only has led to compromise and deepening of the sense of meaninglessness

Ultimately meaning is self derived, and is a creative process – the space needs to be created from where the self and its gifts can express themselves ..

I would much rather keep all my hypotheses to myself about death and dying – since I’m probably wrong anyhow – but to include my two cents into this issue, what I focus on today is coping mechanisms, on techniques that allow me to stay away from this way of thinking or feeling. But be aware: it feels like a never ending battle, as if fighting against a virus that easily mutates.

If I find a calculated, methodical approach to deal with my existential depression, my mind can “uncover,” sort of speak, the “glitch.” It can hack through the cure of my existential depression and begins to deconstruct it, until it is no longer beneficial, and I have to consider something else.

I strongly encourage you to keep up the fight, and hang in there. Good luck!

And thanks for your feedback and enthusiasm, and we appreciate you helping in seeding these ideas/offerings to the world

Love, love, love all of your podcasts and I’m spreading the word!!

Further his generosity knew no bounds, as he sat down with us week after week explaining and sharing his structures with us, to be shared with the world. In the coming months we will be releasing some more of his talks with us
Lastly we also have some very old recordings with him, and are hoping we can release that in the future to the world, where he walks all listeners through the entire structure of the hero’s journey.

Just wanted to let you know I’m absolutely enjoying each and every podcast. I can proudly say I’m an absolute fan from your tender beginning, and your podcast follow me everywhere I go. I’m so used to your thoughtfull dialogues, I really can say I’m addicted to it. It so mindful, mindblowing even, it doesn’t matter listening to each of the 115+ over and over again. In the beginning I thought I’d never get a grasp of all the things you say so wonderfully well. Now I can really say I live by the ideas I discover from you. I mostly enjoy you being joyful,playful and getting such heavy stuff so lightly presented. For instance, saying ” if your’e operating heavy machinery,…put it in your pocket…”very thoughtfull.

No honestely, I’m so delighted,proud to know your work. It opens up in me so many beautiful things I thought were closed or illusions. Indeed, I felt strange, weired to feel so apart from other people around me, acting as machines,robots.

At my age,45, I feel so young,free, blessed to know what I know, as you say to look on my experience the way you allowed me to.

I feel also strong yet to follow my bless, the path which I can now draw from inside and I wanted you guys to know that from the moment I doubt, there is always a hint, a lesson I learned from your stories you told that comes in my mind allowing me to get further on the bus I yet drive. Just like the swan finding it´s way to the environment where he´s in synergy with the elements.

I know I never Ever told you I was such a fan, since probably thousands of people must admire you, but yet I wanted to say a warm THANK YOU for making my life yet more worth than I already was living.

Kind regards,

Luc

Our district had an elementary level gifted student program and there were a number of other gifted students that would attend advanced classes with me, but they were all creatively gifted, so I, who was intellectually gifted, excelled in the advanced classes and didn’t fit in with them, much less with my other classmates. I went through the cycle of loneliness, frustration, anger, depression, intensity, and back to loneliness many times: sometimes throughout a period of months, sometimes overnight. It still happens on occasion, but from experience I have learned to cope with it.

The thing that has frustrated me most about being gifted is the label. I never minded being smart, acing all the tests, and the teasing stopped as people got used to me. I actually quite enjoyed my life. The public school system itself was the worst part. The school held special seminars that gifted kids were invited (read: required) to attend. These classes made me feel like I had an IQ of 5 rather than 150! As if boring regular school classes weren’t enough, they also tried to make me take a year-long course called “Coping with Giftedness”… when I was a junior in high school. I was like, thanks, but wouldn’t this have been more useful in elementary school when I was actually having social problems? Also, because I was a cream-of-the-crop student, I was drafted into a lot more standardized testing and competitions (all of which the school earned money from), which made me feel used and in even less control of my life.

On another note, I was a freshman in high school by the time I actually found someone like me. We were the same kind of mathematical-analytical-verbal gifted and talking to him felt so natural. It was like talking to myself. He became my best friend, and he still is. I think being gifted makes me appreciate my close friends more than other people do because I know how it is to feel utterly alone, not only isolated in interests but also in fundamental thought processes. The fact that we can connect on such a deep level makes the bond that much more special.

Overall, I don’t think people in general realize how serious an issue giftedness can be. It’s not just being smart or advanced or even thinking like an adult; it’s an entirely different perspective that only people of higher intelligence even get. It seems odd to talk about things like the meaning of our existence with an eight-year-old, but that is the age at which those scary thoughts start cropping up in gifted individuals. They don’t all need counseling, they just need someone to assure them that they are important, loved, and not the only ones who feel this way.

I really have enjoyed your series on somatics. It’s one of the better sequenced discussion on the topic.

For the topic of emotions I wanted to hear more about the somatic relatonship between emotions and the somatic experience. How is anger when one is fully centered in one’s soma? How is one sad when the micro-muscular configuration of great joy is held physically and with a neuro context? I think there’s alot more interaction, influence of the emotions with the underpinning neurosomatic structure.

I agree that there’s a life of emotions and I think that it’s not the control of emotions but rather the influence of emotions.

Reflections on this?

to point out the acronym made from the first letters: Roma!

Praise be to GOD. The Lord of the worlds.

Peace,
R.

Congratulations and thank you.

Syntax, sequencing, linking events through time are a kind of intelligence with which humans are uniquely evolved to perceive and influence.

This is not to say that we always get it right… we don’t! But to the degree that we understand and apply syntax, we can program computers, program ourselves, program society in ways that generate less entropy.

Good, good stuff guys. Say more!

Cheers,

Craig
http://www.grassrootsnlp.com

To identify the center in still moments as well as dynamic exchanges is crucial to understanding one’s current position, and whether one is in or out of balance with respect to a central idea.

Moving the center involves being aware of all the connected parts and nudging those parts in the direction of where the center should be. Alternately, moving the center can mean adding or removing parts to the connected whole, which changes the dynamic.

Sometimes the center is a object, but more often the center is an invisible concept and dictated by the scope of awareness. Depending on the scope of awareness, one can simultaneously be balanced, and unbalanced at the same time.

Sometimes the center is in the body, and often we are part of a center that resides outside the body and involves others. In martial arts, the center of the fight is where the sum of the opposing forces comes together. As opponents are eliminated, the balance shifts. Likewise in jazz and orchestral music, one can hear the center of the theme flowing from one section to another as leading and supporting sections alternate with each other.

Cool, cool stuff guys!

Have been listening to your talks for many months, and still cannot figure out what the catch is in giving all this for free. Your work adds great value to the world, and I look forward to every podcast. This take on somatic journey is a good frame on mastery in any field. Have asked my Silat students to listen to this series first hand. They have already heard many of your examples during class. In some ways you too are their Guros’

Please do not stop doing what you do, and if you ever come down to Kualalampur, allow me to repay your kindness by taking you out for a nice meal and a guided tour of our city.

You guys are brilliant and have huge hearts – making it a powerful and positive combination. And may your work find a place with those who seek.

Selamat jalan to you all

JB

Thanks so much for the wonderful stream of distinctions, conceptions and reflections on the somatic wisdom/secrets. It would even be deeper for me if there where some suggested somatic practices for folks to get a taste of the chocolate since it’s so far been description, distinctions and reflections about the experience of having chocolate.

I love your work and your efforts to make this availalbe to others.

Best,

T

I enjoyed your article. I believe you were right on however; some of the pharmaceutical companies are just downright evil. Please see a passage from the Golden Jackass authored by Jim Willie -

“?$$$ THE WEAPONIZED FLU VIRUS THREAT HAS NOT GONE AWAY. IT HAS A COORDINATED PLAN, BY ALL APPEARANCES. STAGE #1 VACCINE INVOLVES WEAK LIVE FLU VIRUSES OF TWO TYPES, LACED WITH MERCURY POISON. WHEN THE TWO TYPES MEET IN SOCIETY, THEY COMBINE TO FORM A LETHAL FLU VIRUS MUTATION. THE STAGE #2 VACCINE INVOLVES AN ENZYME SQUALENE THAT ENCOURAGES MUTATION. THE POWERZ SEEM BY ALL INDICATIONS TO PURSUE A GLOBAL SPANISH FLU LIKE 1915. $$$

No vaccination should EVER include live virus, but rather only dead virus. That is the starting point. The vaccination program has evidence that vaccines contain mercury (in form of thimerosal) which is known to damage the brain function. Most flu vaccination shots contain mercury, but few know it. Tens of millions of Americans are expected to receive inoculation against (or injection of) swine flu this season in hopes of protection against the nasty virus. However, more than 80% will also get what some say is a hefty and dangerous dose of mercury. Experts claim the vaccine benefits outweigh potential risk, but one must wonder in today’s day & age. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that almost everyone, including pregnant women, receive the inoculation, despite written warnings from the vaccine manufacturers. See the Natural Health Blog article (CLICK HERE), or the Center For Disease Control questions & answers about thimerosal (CLICK HERE).

Authorities admit to vaccines containing thimerosal. The majority of influenza vaccines distributed in the United States currently contain thimerosal as a preservative. However, some contain only trace amounts of thimerosal, still considered by the Food & Drug Admin (FDA) to be preservative-free in a blatant denial from expedience. Manufacturers of flu vaccines use thimerosal early in the manufacturing process. The thimerosal is diluted as the vaccine goes through the steps in processing. By the end of the manufacturing process, enough thimerosal remains in the vaccine to act as a preservative but the vaccine is still officially labeled preservative-free. Giving a 3-year old child the flu vaccine would raise the blood level of organic mercury beyond what the CDC has defined as a chemical poisoning. The recommended USGovt schedule requires that this dose be given twice, one month apart. See the Journal Sentinel article (CLICK HERE).

An orchestrated complex plan seems clearly underway to disseminate swine flu to the US population. The process has two steps. The first stage involves the spread of two weak swine flu types, which will certainly meet each other in the population. When they do, they will combine to form a more deadly flu strain, putting the lives of both parties in grave jeopardy. The second stage is actually intended to encourage that mutation, while introducing a more powerful live flu strain. On its face, this seems like premeditated genocide. My research cannot find any strong evidence to the contrary. The mercury poisoning is anticipated to weaken the human immunity systems. Some believe the second stage is intended to deliver a stronger live flu virus to people whose systems have been weakened not only by mercury but also by the active flu from the first stage. People who do not participate in the process stand the best chance of survival. Investors and executives at the major pharmaceutical firms stand to profit in an outrageous way, which could result in their rise in global political power. The collusion among pharma firms, the CDC, and US Military has been well documented to produce a virus as a weaponized microbe. The CIA laboratories are located at Fort Dietrich in Maryland, where many other microbial weapons have been developed and are stored. Bear in mind that a combining virus from human, swine, and bird is a natural impossibility. It can only be produced in a laboratory. The public is told that the vaccines are intended to be as powerful as possible for protection against different flu types. Actually, the same development process can be designed for genocide. See the Bilderberg chronicles for discussion in their meetings for virus release and global population reduction.

The solution is partly what you have called for but we need the money changers kicked out of the temple. We need to get rid of the Central Banks, the Federal Reserve and limit the IRS and get back to sound Constitutional government. Lower limit terms for Congress.

As a suggestion, I would recommend that you read the book “GRUNCH” by Buckminster Fuller. It gives a clear sign and prediction of what we are facing now globally and domestically.
Take Care,

Ben

I am working for a pharmaceutical company and again it is sad to read that pharmaceutical companies are blamed once again … and the blaming part is very intensive whereas the section about constructive solutions very small. What is needed is a big part of solutions which is not only nice but also possible! The above mentioned solution – though only touched – seems to be more a throw in the dark rather than realizable. Instead of blaming the pharmaceutical industry we need a high level of collaboration – with all parts of our societies. Put all the energy of blaming into solutions, we get much further.

Dealing with impermanence, an understanding of causality, adding postmodern philosophy and the realization of impossible knowability leads to meaninglessness.

None of the others are actually important when one addresses knowability. A lack of omnipotence means that what is true and what is not is indeterminable.

Any good game is a series of interesting choices. Choices cease to be interesting if there are no rules and therefore no consequences. I guess that would be the source of the rut that is the depression: not wanting to play the game of life anymore.

I suppose it affects “gifted” people more often, but most people I’ve ever met who have been described as “gifted” have an overly structured system of beliefs (faith in religion and/or faith in science). They would be completely unable to ask the questions that need to be asked to get to that point.

regards

Re: fuzzy logic and dancing:
While we call them “thinking patterns”, these patterns are NOT an inner voice that talks to you. Rather these are ways of organizing your relationship to the experience of living. Thinking patterns are embodied as well as em_minded.

Fuzzy logic was a mathematical analogy to suspension of disbelieve, – to a rare ability of a human being to operate out of two “opposite” points of view.

In the context of dancing this might mean dancing your aloneness twogether with a partner; or dancing exuberantly your exhaustion; etc…

This is truly not about goal setting, at this point in time I find goal setting rather frustrating and not too useful, perhaps a better word would be “limiting”

This is also not really a mind set, because mind (involves movement) is trapped in time. JC (Campbell not christ) used the phraze “Transparent to the transcendent” and to me that describes it well.

I will discuss this with my friends and see if perhaps we can have a conversation/podcast around this topic.

In the meantime perhaps you want to try and find things/causes that bring you alive and see where that takes you – to some its martial arts, to some its dancing, to some meditation etc.. you get the point… and the critical thing is watch for what emerges….

Thanks for the prompt and thoughtful response. The references are useful to get a better handle on this.

I guess what I am really asking is how you actually work from this perspective/ approach – it seems analogous to goal setting – but an exponential version!

More specifically, how you get yourself into the initial mind set to allow the process to operate, and whether the objectives are really consciously set or “drawn” from the unconscious (and if the later, how).

To me goal setting as a model has always been somewhat unsatisfactory/ circular as it presupposes you have identified the right goal(!)- my sense is that through this process (or otherwise) you have gotten way beyond that point…

Peter

What specifically would you like to know about the telelogical approach. in short I will say this
1. operates from the future pulling the present
2. moves from present/historical time into the realm of Great Time and organizes/or rather is informed from there. IMO this is a “visionary process” and seeks to work with images/symbols that emerge from the body proper when one is broken out/tricked out of the realm of historical time (read eliade’s work on time for more context of historical v/s cyclical time – the profane and sacred dimensions of time)
3. operates from the assumption that destiny/fate intersect, and one needs to find one’s element – read rilke poem swan to understand what I mean by finding ones element. IMO its the best exposition of what finding one’s element is all about

Its a little hard to explain this process in words, as it is a very preverbal process

Ask some specific questions, and perhaps I can help answer them.

cheers

Really really enjoyed these 4 podcasts – liked the way you used the theme of patterns to summarise/ discuss a cross section of other material.

Particularly liked the “breaking patterns” discussion.

M, would like to hear more from you on your “teleological”/ goal setting model ..

Peter

cheers

RCG

hope this helps, feel free to shoot any other enquiries you may have

if you could just precise the name of this person you spoke about to learn accelerated learning, that would be nice

Warmly,

Pat

Thanks for your candid feedback. Creative dissent is always welcome and we want to aknowledge your taking the time out to write to us

We were working//discussing the prevalnce of patterns in our life, and we bought as many points of reference as possible from our perspective to show they are found everywhere and paying attention to them can help one break free of them when necessary.

The cretaion of a facsist regime follows a similar and familiar path, knowing it allows one to intrevene.

Regd Fuzzy logic and thinking, we will let Arman discuss that when he gets back online.

If there is something else we can help perhaps better clarify let us know.

I have to say that I don’t really see the point of this podcast. I am not trying to merely criticize, maybe you could clarify it for me or be more careful for future podcast.

- are you simply pointing out to different disciplines that we should research for ourselves?
–> the few lines of your written summary would be enough.
–> I felt like I was missing the point during the whole podcast. Maybe it was an interesting discussion for you guys to clarify and structure your interests in life..

- what the hell does the creation of fascist governments has to do with the discussion?
–> I was hoping that this would be broader and somehow linked to the way one creates the pattern of thinking necessary to build one’s empire.. or something!

Well… let me know.

Then, could you please write me the name of this person you spoke about to learn accelerated learning? (as I didn’t know him, I couldn’t understand the name)

Thanks.

With ref to number 5

I am a firm believer of the 90% 10% rule. 10% of things in life are going to happen to you in anycase eg such as being late due to traffic etc. however 90% is how you react to to the scenario, so I can take things calmly and accept that I am running late or I can react to it and make things worse by making myself feel bad and matbe in anger cause an accident.

While I see what you are saying, we would argue that ability to see patterns is an absolute must in order to be efficient and effective. Being able to break through patterns is important for growth.

There are some more podcasts left in this series, so would be curious about your thoughts once you hear them all.

We do appriciate and enjoy thinking different and divergent from ours, so please do feel free to share your thoughts.

Your article was the lift I needed to remind myself of the reason that I value the work I am doing. I can get caught up in an attitude of greed just like everyone else unless I am in community with others who are like minded. Thanks!

I just thank you so much for your perspective…it lightens my heart!

Have read your write up a couple of times and it seems to add a new dimension everytime i read it. I look forward to more of your writings

Your bud

M

Just one suggestion – I miss the old (heavily accented) intro – the new one seems too “plastic” – and is definitely too long ..

Thanks again for your generosity of spirit in making all these resources available.

Thanks so much for pulling this together.

M

PS Language is the house of being change the house, and the way the being lives changes

Interesting angle… But I think you’re mixing the metaphors here. The distinction we’ve been making is whether *you* as a leader acting as a catalyst or as an enzyme for something greater than you – that is, whether what you are changing out there changes you in the process (and to what degree).

Also, learning English is an internal change that certainly affects the person whether they breath through the change or suffer through it.

Perhaps, a slight modification of your example may work better – a child wanting to get support from people around her would learn their language, the culture – basically learn the game, becoming truly American in the process (enzyme), while an old man might try to reconstruct his environment as close to his country of origin as he can, and operate within the rules he already knows (catalyst).
BTW, I’ve seen this happen, both cases.

It is context-dependent.

For example, for a 12-year-old immigrant child, learning English is a catalyst toward greater opportunity, in which the learning process does not consume her. For her, the endeavor is totally expansive.

For the 55-year-old immigrant, learning English is an enzyme, consuming a high degree of time and energy, and mastery may never be achieved. For him, the endeavor may be worthwhile, but is also very expensive.

Good clarifications, its sometimes hard to language that which is by its nature beyond language.

%rhythms was deeply influenced by the work of Osho and sufi dervishes, so you see those threads deeply entangled, just as all paths link up anyways

cheers

Osho developed what he called active meditations. I’ve practiced several of them and they are very powerfull because his practices of breathwork, movement and stillnes, enables the entrance to a state of “No mind” and the activation of the kundalini. I believe that there must be some similarities with 5 rhythms.

You have breathed new life into your logo, your message and the podcasts since the holiday break. Congratulations on reinventing and expanding RCG after a brief hiatus.

Cheers!

Nice you mention your way.

Mine was similar. Wanting to get better bass player, began to search for how to improve the self.

Till now, one realization has struck me as the obvious.

The fields/concepts of human study.

Who is in service of who?

Kids are the best teachers. They play with their toys, and are Free Souls, until educational system traps them with beliefs instead of knowledge.

Believing in human concepts brings lack of life.

Because of that kind of conditioning, most people have in place folders for putting people into categries, based on education they have.

I prefer to merge all folders of education into one, then get out of it, put it into recycle bin, and empty recycle bin.

Now a generalist approach may be easier to access.

The second is are you imposing the meanings from yourself, or letting the meaning come?

In my experience, those that come, match with Reality. All laws under which All universes operate.

And then, comes the credit part.

Most are proud about education they have, but forget to reflect like a full moon.

Own credit, the own death.

And that’s one major reason as to why most people are resistors of life.

Thanks for your article, and nice to having you a buddy.

Peace,
Rinoni

William Pensinger does it again eh.

Well RCG is founded on the idea of opening up of ideas to the world. The abundant frame, as we know, opened so many worlds.

The thing with Pensinger is Loops within loops within loops, and discoveries on every page.

Opening up to abundance is the frame of moving from “finite games to infinite game”

“It is knowing that the other has a being-for-him/her-self as a self-limitation-of-the-whole.”

If we remember this – the other will always remain a mystery, and the relationship will always be a mystic journey.

A treasure, sparkle another light
departure from captivity of mind
doorway into the kingdom of love

A journey into the realm of unknown
an infusion of love
from deep within “M” ‘s beautiful heart

A silky whisper of magical words
skillfully put together
by the master of marvelous radical houghts

Mystical, whimsical
his magical words
kindle and captivate infinite hearts

Thanks” M”
“May the magic of your love be eternal”

Whisper ~~~

*****

True, among the crowd, lovers feel alone but beyond the boundaries of time and space they join other lovers.
*****
No we can never be like someone else. We would not want to be like someone else when we discover our true selves.

Early in my childhood I came to realize that I was very different from the others. I have always loved to
alter things to my liking and create something new and making it my own from cloths to designs to recipes to ideas and leanings and so on. Even my values and beliefs have always been different. I have always loved to live beyond the boundaries of limitations.

In the past my non-conformity had caused me to be somewhat lonely. Some people envied me for daring to be different and they did not like to have me around. I always remembered everyone I knew and offered my love to them but was often miss understood and hardly remembered or received love from them. It was deeply hurtful to be treated that way.

For years I used to think there was something wrong with me for not being able to conform to what was considered “normal”. I tried time and again to be like the others but never liked the person that I would become. It was suffocating.

Finally I gave up and decided to accept myself just the way I was and it was then that the magic started happening. I started to discover my true self, my gifts and passion and come to love and appreciate everything about myself. And then something even better happened I found myself forgiving all who had ever hurt me.

It is interesting that now people love to be around me. Those people have not changed a bit only the change in me and the way I feel about myself has changed the way they feel about me.

Now the same people who did not like to have me around tell me “ I wish I could be like you” and I always tell them try to be your better you.

Poetry, music or mastery of an art
Find your true gifts and passion
Truthfully play your given part…

Every one of us has a gift to offer. Discovering our gift and passion will bring us closer to our true self. And once we start sharing our gift with love that is when we will experience our true essence. When we give without expecting to receive we will receive beyond imagination.

Now when I am offering my love and completely losing myself in helping others it feels like I merge with something greater than me, it brings me to my element and I feel my true essence.

Suggestion is do not get caught in details, look at the big ideas and where they are headed

cheers

To be honest, I didnt really get David, or how he fit into your series/ structure/ world view …

Peter

Interesting talk but without knowing what the game, the rules or the 15% was all about, really went over my head?! Sounds fascinating – any chance you can summarise and post it somewhere?

Peter

Can you recommend some materials – books, articles, etc – to get familiar with the work of Buckminster Fuller. I had not heard of him before your broadcasts – clearly he has made a strong influence on you all as well as your speakers.

Peter

Wow , yet again you move me.

The words of Rumi as always invoking emotion and exploration.

>>>”the whole business of love is to drown in the sea”

yes !!! indeed it is! For what else is there? The joy and pleasure always out weighs the pain.

When I hear Winston play I can’t help but be moved to dance! There is something about his music that touches my soul pulling out memories and emotions lingering just under the surface. Commanding expression! Autumn, one of my favorite collections, invokes the feelings of change and chaos, longing and love for me…

>>>>”I have always been fascinated by watching mastery in any form, and always wanted to learn how people do things they do with exquisite finesse (this is the heart of modeling IMO). Upon approaching both my Sensei and Kathy (many years apart) they had interestingly told me the excat same thing when I told them ‘wow I want to move like that” – they said NO!! “you want to move how you move.” My sensei was a little more colorful when he said “don’t be my vomit” meaning don’t do things or say things exactly as he does, I needed to find my own way, my own art of expressing myself and my body in this world. ”

I feel this is where Antero is taking us or helping us to find our way to. There have been moments in Spark, 5 rhythms, Trance/Ecstatic dance, and even Core Connect where I have experienced the way” I move”, brief moments were I have tapped into the pure flow of “I” outside of the ego. The Paratheatrical with Antero has help create and stabilize that connection for me. The unconscious becoming conscious, my soul dancing it’s own story, as clumsy as it may be it is all mine. I am really missing the lab right now!!!! No place to move here!

Thank you for the link to Aesthetic Arrest and Meditation 24-7! Another jewel that I have received from the work with Antero is the resurgence of experiencing aesthetic arrest in my daily life and the way I look at the world. I think I might have mentioned this in lab, but, my love of light and how it dances in the world is what brought me great joy in film and photography, I had lost that passion somewhere in the last few years and now in has resurfaced.

And as for finding something to serve and dedicate oneself to that is the task before me! And may this wobbly creature be transformed!

-V

“And the day came when the risk it took to remain in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom.” – Anais Nin

Prosper

cheers

Glad you are enjoying it. I double checked and podcast 2 seems to be working fine.

Another way to get it is download it directly of the webpage

RCG

So I’ll just skip ahead to this one.

Keep up the good work
a!

There is more material covered here in these podcasts for free than on many paid products

YOU GUYS ROCK

Thank you for your comment. Yes, we are going to publish a few more podcasts on this topic in the coming weeks. As for the starting point, look for the books by people mentioned both in the description and in the podcast itself. Perhaps, one of the easiest entry point is a book by Don Beck et al. called Spiral Dynamics

We are glad you are enjoying these podcasts, we have hardly scratched the surface… we have a lot more fascinating topics and techniques we will bring to the forefront here for free and in the near future we will also be launching some break through products that you may want to buy.

And thank you for taking the time to share your feedback, its important to us to know how our work is helping or not helping listeners like yourself.

RCG

Thanks for your kind comments and feedback.

We will continue to build out on our podcasts and bring even more comprehensive material to the forefront at no cost.

Also be on the look out for some fascinating announcements and offerings coming from the Radical Change Group.

cheers

RCG

Your podcast helped me gain greater understanding of all the subjects within NLP.

Your podcast on Submodalities was fantastic. My mind was blown. Awsome!

i have always liked NLP and apply it as often i can yet not often enough.

download your pod-casts through itunes ….. i have learned so much, relearned so much, rethink in my brain based on reprogramming to rethink new ways….. with gratitude to you guys… thanks… enjoy them, learn alot, improve my life, improve the world.

thanks!!!
BVD

RCG

–kristi

danke,
VH

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RCG

I am amazed your group is bringing such quality programing at no cost. Made me wonder what is it that you are really selling but nevertheless I am thankful that something free is coming out of America.

Do you offer trainings? What topics do you cover? Where are these trainings held?

Thank you and blessings