Ideas for Transformation
#79 Pattern Thinking, part 4
By RCG
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April 19th, 2009
• Recorded: November 29, 2008 •
(6 votes)
(6 votes)
- Where do we find new patterns
- Mythology
- Spiral Dynamics
- Modeling (NLP)
- Artificial Intelligence
- Strict, probabilistic and Fuzzy logic
- Science patterns
- Techniques for shifting patterns
- Trying first in a safe context
- Dance, relationships, school, classes
- For future-oriented, look for the shortest path, make as many mistakes as possible. Learn from the shock.
- Patterns of Empires
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testing fuzzy logic by dancing…?
I personally don’t try any thinking pattern with dancing. I listen to the poetic language of my body.
But maybe you can explain more here, I’m very interested to know.
I have to say that I don’t really see the point of this podcast. I am not trying to merely criticize, maybe you could clarify it for me or be more careful for future podcast.
- are you simply pointing out to different disciplines that we should research for ourselves?
–> the few lines of your written summary would be enough.
–> I felt like I was missing the point during the whole podcast. Maybe it was an interesting discussion for you guys to clarify and structure your interests in life..
- what the hell does the creation of fascist governments has to do with the discussion?
–> I was hoping that this would be broader and somehow linked to the way one creates the pattern of thinking necessary to build one’s empire.. or something!
Well… let me know.
Then, could you please write me the name of this person you spoke about to learn accelerated learning? (as I didn’t know him, I couldn’t understand the name)
Thanks.
Megusto
Thanks for your candid feedback. Creative dissent is always welcome and we want to aknowledge your taking the time out to write to us
We were working//discussing the prevalnce of patterns in our life, and we bought as many points of reference as possible from our perspective to show they are found everywhere and paying attention to them can help one break free of them when necessary.
The cretaion of a facsist regime follows a similar and familiar path, knowing it allows one to intrevene.
Regd Fuzzy logic and thinking, we will let Arman discuss that when he gets back online.
If there is something else we can help perhaps better clarify let us know.
thanks
if you could just precise the name of this person you spoke about to learn accelerated learning, that would be nice
Megusto – Will do you one better. Here is the wiki link to his work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggestopedia
And in terms of books available that explore his method in detail see SuperLearning by Ostrandler http://www.amazon.com/Super-Learning-Sheila-Ostrander/dp/0440384249/ref=pd_sim_b_1
I prefer the older edition of the book to the superlearning 2000.
hope this helps, feel free to shoot any other enquiries you may have
Guys
Really really enjoyed these 4 podcasts – liked the way you used the theme of patterns to summarise/ discuss a cross section of other material.
Particularly liked the “breaking patterns” discussion.
M, would like to hear more from you on your “teleological”/ goal setting model ..
Peter
Peter
Glad you enjoyed the podcasts. It was one of the more fun and enjoyable conversations we had as a group.
What specifically would you like to know about the telelogical approach. in short I will say this
to understand what I mean by finding ones element. IMO its the best exposition of what finding one’s element is all about
1. operates from the future pulling the present
2. moves from present/historical time into the realm of Great Time and organizes/or rather is informed from there. IMO this is a “visionary process” and seeks to work with images/symbols that emerge from the body proper when one is broken out/tricked out of the realm of historical time (read eliade’s work on time for more context of historical v/s cyclical time – the profane and sacred dimensions of time)
3. operates from the assumption that destiny/fate intersect, and one needs to find one’s element – read rilke poem swan
Its a little hard to explain this process in words, as it is a very preverbal process
Ask some specific questions, and perhaps I can help answer them.
cheers
M
Thanks for the prompt and thoughtful response. The references are useful to get a better handle on this.
I guess what I am really asking is how you actually work from this perspective/ approach – it seems analogous to goal setting – but an exponential version!
More specifically, how you get yourself into the initial mind set to allow the process to operate, and whether the objectives are really consciously set or “drawn” from the unconscious (and if the later, how).
To me goal setting as a model has always been somewhat unsatisfactory/ circular as it presupposes you have identified the right goal(!)- my sense is that through this process (or otherwise) you have gotten way beyond that point…
Peter
Peter
This is truly not about goal setting, at this point in time I find goal setting rather frustrating and not too useful, perhaps a better word would be “limiting”
This is also not really a mind set, because mind (involves movement) is trapped in time. JC (Campbell not christ) used the phraze “Transparent to the transcendent” and to me that describes it well.
I will discuss this with my friends and see if perhaps we can have a conversation/podcast around this topic.
In the meantime perhaps you want to try and find things/causes that bring you alive and see where that takes you
– to some its martial arts, to some its dancing, to some meditation etc.. you get the point… and the critical thing is watch for what emerges….
megusto,
Re: fuzzy logic and dancing:
While we call them “thinking patterns”, these patterns are NOT an inner voice that talks to you. Rather these are ways of organizing your relationship to the experience of living. Thinking patterns are embodied as well as em_minded.
Fuzzy logic was a mathematical analogy to suspension of disbelieve, – to a rare ability of a human being to operate out of two “opposite” points of view.
In the context of dancing this might mean dancing your aloneness twogether with a partner; or dancing exuberantly your exhaustion; etc…
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